It’s not only Republicans that suck!

Jane Harman (D-CA) sucks. There’s no better way to say it. Why does Jane Harman suck? Because she introduced the Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. An oddly named bill, reminiscent of The Patriot Act, The Protect America Act, and others which might be called anything but patriotic or protecting. And, for that, both it, and she, sucks. BTW, this bill is also loving called the Thought Crime Bill. Why? Watch and weep, then keep reading.

This clip is from the film Washington You’re Fired which you can purchase here. An excellent film, one I highly recommend.

Let me say, for the record, that in concept, I don’t think that it’s a bad thing to determine who might want to blow up both stuff and people in the US. If you read what’s on the House site regarding this bill, it sounds all rosy. That said, a generally worded document – no, LAW, of dubious origins (more below the fold), with inadequate definitions; definitions which are open to far too much interpretation for comfort, becomes something to fear greatly.

But that’s not the only reason Jane Harman sucks.

Let’s first look at this bill and we’ll more about why Ms. Harman sucks shortly. So, how is this poorly worded? This is an excerpts from the official House site.

10/23/2007–Passed House amended.

Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 – Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add a new section concerning the prevention of violent radicalization; (an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change); and homegrown terrorism (violence by a group or individual within the United States; to coerce the U.S. government, the civilian population, or a segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives).

Why is this problematic? Lee Waters takes this on quite nicely.

The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system. Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.

(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION– The term `violent radicalization’ means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.

The definition of homegrown terrorism uses equally vague language to further define thought crime. The bill includes the planned use of force or violence as homegrown terrorism which could be interpreted as thinking about using force or violence. Not only that but the definition is so vaguely defined, that petty crimes could even fall into the category of homegrown terrorism. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.

(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM– The term `homegrown terrorism’ means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

Section 899B of the bill goes over the findings of Congress as it pertains to homegrown terrorism. Particularly alarming is that the bill mentions the Internet as a main source for terrorist propaganda. The bill even mentions streams in obvious reference to many of the patriot and pro-constitution Internet radio networks that have been formed. It also mentions that homegrown terrorists span all ages and races indicating that the Congress is stating that everyone is a potential terrorist. Even worse is that Congress states in their findings that they should look at draconian police states like Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom as models to defeat homegrown terrorists. Literally, these findings of Congress fall right in line with the growing patriot community.

And then there were the speeches which resulted in this bill’s passage.

First up, excerpts from Rep. Bennie Thompson [D-MS]:

In May, six men were arrested for allegedly plotting to attack Fort Dix. Three of those men were United States citizens; the other three had been in the United States since they were small children. Then, again, in June, another four men were charged with plotting to attack JFK Airport by blowing up jet fuel tanks. The alleged mastermind of this plot was a United States citizen.

Homegrown terrorists no longer need to travel to Afghanistan or Pakistan to get support and training. They can simply go on the Internet to find violent propaganda and others who share their violent ideology.

The bill also creates a center of excellence to conduct research that is desperately needed in determining the root cause of violent radicalization.

The centerpiece of this bill is the creation of a national commission. It is a step in the right direction. National commissions have a long and successful history in this country. The Gilmore Commission, of which our chairwoman was a member, which functioned from 1993 to 1998, made 164 recommendations regarding the domestic response to terrorism. Of those 164 recommendations, all have been adopted in whole or in part by the Congress and the Federal Government.

Well, we’re off to a bad start. The Fort Dix situation was a case of presumptive prosecution (which is too reminiscent of our preemptive war with Iraq) and, in my opinion, questionable in many respects) which garnered a guilty plea by one suspect for possession of weapons. Not exactly a stunning bit of terrorism there. (If you’re interested, here’s a good blog which followed this. Knock yourself out.)

And what about that JFK thing? Not to sound redundant, but dubious at best. And I won’t even get into Jose Padilla, for that was an atrocity.

And just what is the root cause of violent radicalization? Let me venture a couple of guesses here: abject poverty, food insecurity (why don’t they call it starvation anymore?), our government’s interference both domestically and abroad which is usually to the detriment of the populace at large, mental illness? I am sure the list could go on and on but how about addressing a couple of the concepts?

And The Gilmore Commission? Hold that thought for another moment.

But let’s give our esteemed representatives some benefit of the doubt. Let’s look more at the speeches.

Now to Ms. Harman’s speech. Again excerpts:

In recent testimony before our Intelligence Subcommittee, some common traits and characteristics emerged. Said RAND Corporation’s Bruce Jenkins: “It is the same age group that is susceptible to being recruited into gangs. These are young men who are going through identity crises, looking to define themselves. If you have a narrative that exalts violence, that attempts to project that violence as a personal obligation, that offers the tantalizing prospect of clandestinity (sic), identity, all of those are appealing to that specific age group.”

Combine that personal adolescent upheaval with the explosion of information technologies and communications tools, tools which American kids are using to broadcast messages from al Qaeda….

I’ll spare you more speeches consisting of Fort Dix, Al Qaeda, JFK, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

But what about this Rand Corporation? And how about The Gilmore Commission? Glad you asked.

This is from an interview by Amy Goodman and journalist Jessica Lee and Kaman Karl Franklin, a fellow with the Center for Constitutional Rights:

JESSICA LEE: Right. When I started to look into this bill, what I found was a great influence by the Rand Corporation, which is a government affiliated think tank. Twice, Brian Michael Jenkins, who is an expert on terrorism, gave testimony in the House on this bill.

AMY GOODMAN: He is from the Rand Corporation.

JESSICA LEE: He is from the Rand, yes. They largely tried to push this bill through on this idea there are these extreme political Islamists in our country and they did not do a very good job stating the actual threat. But when you look through the Rand Corporation’s other reports in 2005, they had a report called “Trends in Terrorism”. And they had one chapter called “Homegrown Terrorism Threats”. When you look in that chapter, there’s nothing about political Islamists. In fact, its all about anti- globalization people on the right and left side of the spectrum. The animal rights and the environmental movements; and anarchists. And to me I found that very interesting that that testimony was not mentioned at all when this bill was passed. That this legislation is not just gonna look at so-called violent, religious people, but also people who have been very strong opinions against this administration.

AMY GOODMAN: In terms of the Rand Corporation, it was Daniel Ellsburg who worked for the Rand Corporation, when he have that many thousands of pages on the history of the Vietnam war and the Pentagon papers. So Rand is the key—what would you say, writer of the bill? And the Congressmember who’s most involved in this?

JESSICA LEE: Representative Jane Harmon, a Democrat from California, has had a lengthy relationship with the Rand Corporation. I called several times to get comment from the Rand Corporation, they said that their experts are out of town and unavailable due to the holidays. So I did not find out if they indeed did write the bill themselves. What we do know is that have a great influence and that they have had in the past.

KAMAU FRANKLIN: I just wanted to add to the Rand comment, particularly with Brian Michael Jenkins, supposed terrorist expert who’s mainly known according to Rand as someone who helped the United States in counter-insurgency measures in Vietnam, which is one of his claims to fame. In addition to that, he wrote a book and in his own book, I just want to quote that says “in their international campaign, the Jihadist will seek common ground with leftist, anti-American and anti-globalization forces who will in turn seek radical Islam comrades against a mutual foe.” So I think what Jessica’s talking about, is that, the breadth of it is not focused in on supposed terrorists who are threatening the United States, but folks who have real concerns about where this country is heading, folks who express dissent in various different ways including demonstrations and marches. These are the folks who this bill potentially good target.

Here is an excellent Open Letter to Jane Harman addressing this issue and Rand specifically. I strongly suggest you read this.

One of the best entries I have read concerning this slippery slope of a bill is by Paul Craig Roberts, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, prior Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial pages, and a Contributing Editor of the National Review (yes, I said National Review, that bastion of thinking left). He ends his post with “The light of liberty has gone out in the United States.” Ya think?

The assault on the US Constitution by the Democratic Party is as determined as the assault by the Republicans. On October 23, 2007, the House passed a bill sponsored by California Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman, chairwoman of a Homeland Security subcommittee, that overturns the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free expression, association, and assembly.

The bill passed the House on a vote of 404-6. In the Senate the bill is sponsored by Maine Republican Susan Collins and apparently faces no meaningful opposition.

Harman’s bill is called the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act.”When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs. The bill will, in short, create massive terrorism in the United States. But the perpetrators of terrorism will not be Muslim terrorists; they will be government agents and fellow citizens.

We are beginning to see who will be the inmates of the detention centers being built in the US by Halliburton under government contract.

Who will be on the “extremist beliefs” list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration’s wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration’s use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration’s spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group–such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers–is also a candidate for the list.

The “Extremist Beliefs Commission” is the mechanism for identifying Americans who pose “a threat to domestic security” and a threat of “homegrown terrorism” that “cannot be easily prevented through traditional federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts.

While I am railing on Jane Harman, let me add that this isn’t the only reason to say that she sucks. Ms. Harman was also one of the Gang of Eight who knew, back in 2004, about the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping. Now only did she not say anything, she supported it and tried to keep it out of the press. She felt that open discussion was damaging.

As the former Rep. Tom Hayden says:

She was one of a handful of Congressmembers invited into the secret White House briefings on what has mushroomed into a major scandal: the launch of domestic spying by intelligence agencies without warrants. The ranking Democrat on the House intelligence committee, Harman promised the White House to keep secret what she heard at the meetings.

  • She could have been a whistleblower, but chose not to be.
  • She could have refused the unconditional promise of secrecy, but chose not to.
  • She could have resigned the secret committee without comment, letting her silence do the talking, but chose not to.

Left to Harman, the spy scandal would still be a secret today. It was the New York Times, not Democratic leaders, who first broke the silence and secrecy.

Harman actually approved the spy program in her initial comments, then sought a legal opinion before commenting further.

Thanks, Jane. Between this and the Thought Crime Bill, I feel so much safer.

Since the birth of our nation, patriotism IS dissent. Patriotism is a working media which oversees the overseers. Patriotism is questioning everything to keep our government honest. Patriotism requires a knowledgeable population. It takes interest from the masses, the ability to critically think and understand. Alas, we are failing miserably on each of these very important aspects of what being patriotic truly is. What it is not is wrapping yourself in a flag, wearing a flag pin, or blindly following whatever ideology you choose.

What can you do?

This has yet to be voted on in by Congress. Contact your congress critters. Go here and click on your state. Phone, fax and email addresses are provided.

Let me close with a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Neimoller:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn’t a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

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  1. Zooey said,

    May 3, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Great post, MizzJ.

    If this passes they’ll use it shut down the internet — a major tool for disbursement of information and news the CM is ignoring.

    And all it would take to get hauled away is thinking, “Gee, I think I’ll go get my pitchfork and storm the castle.”

  2. MsJoanne said,

    May 3, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    Yes, m’am. The corporate media (for all who might not know, I refuse to use MSM because there none…it’s all corporate owned, hence Corporate Media) wants nothing more than to regain the masses who are going fast and furious away from the bullshit they put forth as “news” and that will take regulating the internet.

    This is one trick up their sleeves.

    And, let’s not forget that a stupid populace is a more compliant populace.

  3. Zooey said,

    May 3, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Hell, they’ve already got the “Security Mom”-types pissing in their pants over the internet. Making the internet out to be the bad thing, not sucky parenting.

  4. MsJoanne said,

    May 3, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    I suppose for people who are not up to parenting, it gives them a perfect excuse for not doing so.

    Oh, daddy…protect me!

  5. Zooey said,

    May 3, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Right. The people who vote for politicians who profess to want smaller government, are the same people who want government to invade our homes to protect their children from Janet Jackson’s boobie.

    I can’t tell you how many times I heard parents saying this type of thing: “How can I protect little Jonny from internet predators and sleazy TV — I can’t be in his room with him all the time.”

    Well, fuck me!! No computer and TV in the room? Hello?

    I’m concerned for this country, I really am.

  6. MsJoanne said,

    May 3, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Goes to what I have been bitching about for years now: we have lost our ability to be able to think critically. How many people watch television four or more hours a day? Or allow their children unlimited access to the internet (have they never seen To Catch A Predator with all that teevee they watch?)

    I was working in Asia last year and a couple of the people I was working with were from China. The client (who was an American living in Asia) told me that China is going to have a very long curve because their people are not educated to think, they are educated to follow directions. There are some with higher education, sure, but the masses? Well, we are now thee.

  7. Zooey said,

    May 3, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    That’s precisely it, MizzJ. People wait to be told what to do, what to think. How crazy is that? It’s the ultimate avoidance of personal responsibility — the very thing trolls accuse US of lacking!

    I was always pretty open with the men, but the ONE television was in the living room, and the ONE computer was also in the living room. Kids can do enough dumb stuff while you’re standing there looking at them — they don’t need a private spot to expand on that.

  8. MsJoanne said,

    May 3, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    I think what’s worse than people being told what to think is that they are told HOW to think. And that is, by far, much more dangerous for our society as a whole.

  9. Zooey said,

    May 3, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    That’s stating it better.

    I remember when I was in school, we learned about the Constitution (as much as you actually learn about that in school, which isn’t much), and the main thing I remember is that it wasn’t easy. Being patriotic wasn’t wearing a flag lapel pin, it was standing up and saying NO when someone’s rights were being abused or violated — even if it wasn’t the popular thing to do. We had to think about how we sometimes had to do things one way because it was right, even if doing things another way was easier.

    There is no black or white, but that’s how people are thinking. Our country has suffered for it, and will continue to do so.

  10. MsJoanne said,

    May 3, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Someone told me the other day that it is no longer a requirement for grade and high school students to pass The Constitution Test to make it to high school or to graduate from high school.

    Ah, at that age, I certainly didn’t appreciate it. I fretted over passing it. Did I remember anything from it? No. But I have read it again and again. Could I quote it now? Nope. But, all that said, I have a huge amount of respect for and believe in the document that defines our country.

    And THAT makes me 1000 times more patriotic than these morons who have hijacked our country; neocons, this rogue regime, the right-wingers, the social conservatives.

    Yes, indeed, we will certainly suffer for it.

  11. Zooey said,

    May 3, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    I think I just had an exceptionally good history teacher back then. I was lucky. He made us think for ourselves, and didn’t just TELL us everything. He’d let us come up with what we thought was the perfect solution to a given problem, and then he’d expand on it.

    Ah well, I better hit the books. My finals aren’t getting any further away.

    Good discussion, MizzJ! I’ll check to see if there’s been any activity on a cesspool party at the Zoo. I hate to put it up, and then leave early!

    BTW, I hope you don’t mind if I call you MizzJ. My ex’s current wife is a “Joanne,” and everything we’ve discussed here today? That’s her. And she’s nucking futs to boot. Ick.

  12. MsJoanne said,

    May 3, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    I am perfectly fine with it. MsJ, MizzJ, J…totally cool by me!

    Study hard! Cheers!

  13. Lew Scannon said,

    May 3, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Well, now I know where all those new jobs Bush is bragging about having created, they’re all top secret jobs spying on the rest of us, in case someone says the wrong word, they get labeled “domestic terrorist”, put on No-fly lists and will be the first hauled of to Re-Neducation camps when they decide to end the Republic we know it.

  14. MsJoanne said,

    May 3, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Lew, if there’s a tipping point, I fear we are at the precipice.

    Let’s not forget about all these Haliburton built prisons or detainment centers or whatever you want to call them. These things were built to house millions of people. Now they are used for immigrants. How long before we join them?

    Yes, a truly scary time. How does a country take a complete 180 in this few years? Hmm, perhaps we need to look to Germany in the 1920’s.

    The parallels are frightening.

    Start with 9/11, add a little wrap yourself in a flag and fasten it with a flag pin nationalism, throw in a dash of some groups of unacceptable people and, viola! Fascism, Nazi style!

  15. Civil Disobedience said,

    May 5, 2008 at 1:05 am

    You’ve outdone youself again. Great, great post MsJoanne! One that I’ve already sent the link to many of my friends. Please, please, please keep it up!

  16. Snave said,

    May 5, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Hi MsJoanne,

    I saw your comment at Lew Scannon’s place and thought it was right on. You have an excellent blog here. Please check my comment there about No Child Left Behind and how I believe it is nothing more than a way for the conservatives to systematically defund our public school system, with the ultimate goal of privatizing it. You’re right, a dumb populace is much more compliant and much easier to control.

    As for this post, gee, couldn’t something like someone’s leftist politics or maybe their not being “born again” be construed by some of the nutbags as “extremist belief systems”? Sure they could. “Social change” is one of the things these freaks are most worried about, so of course that phrase was put into this Act. So I see that if this is approved, the non-ruling political party can be punished for wanting to advance an agenda that includes the furthering of political or social objectives? Scheise… Something smells bad here.

    Thanks for the information here. Harman DOES suck. I will make a note to myself to e-mail my Representative and my Senators here in Oregon.

    Also, on my weblog I have started a series on Executive Orders that might provide a kind of informal, informational look at what has been going on in both Democratic and Republican administrations to make things much easier for when a president decides to declare martial law in the USA. Please come take a look. I don’t believe I’m paranoid, but the more I learn about what is going on at our highest levels of government, the more I think I could get that way in a hurry.

  17. Snave said,

    May 5, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Also, nice post on Frank Zappa. He is one of my heroes too. He not only wrote and played a lot of great music, he also said quite a few good things. I like this page quite a bit:

  18. MsJoanne said,

    May 5, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    Snave, I tried to get to your blog but the link isn’t good. What’s your URL?

    That’s the problem with this poorly worded attempt at legislation. I think you’re absolutely right that “born again’s” and other fundamentalists are absolutely in that nutbag category. Alas, I highly doubt that any religious movement in the US, no matter how extreme they are, will be hurt by this (unless they support the Dems but not the goopers (just look at the one church that is being investigated right now. Obama spoke there – about religion and not politics – and they are investigating their tax-free status and trying to damage that church, while you have a crazy like Hagee and others who are actively politicizing the pulpit and get a complete pass.)

    My view on religion? If they want a say in or political process, they can start by paying taxes!

    My next piece is on Executive Orders and I hope it’s a blow out. It will be more than a week for me to write it. It is going to be pretty comprehensive, so I would love to see what you have…maybe you can save me some research and I can snag some of the links you provide.

    Glad you like it here. Come on back anytime!

  19. Zooey said,

    May 5, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    MizzJ, just add a .com on the end of blogspot.

    Pretty good blog!

  20. MsJoanne said,

    May 5, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Thanks, Madam Z!!

  21. Crissa said,

    May 5, 2008 at 8:03 pm

    Yes, but what in the bill was bad?

    The definitions?

    Or funding the study of?

    Because it didn’t make any new criminal law.

  22. MsJoanne said,

    May 5, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    I see limiting the internet because there may possibly be a threat. Look at the IN SCOTUS decision about ID’s for voting. No voter fraud was ever displayed yet they upheld having requiring specific identification, some of which poor people do not have, because there might be possible voter fraud.

    What makes it bad is the very general definitions. What makes it worse is what the legislators said about the act and why it is important.

    Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system.

    What is an extremist belief? Abortion (for or against based upon the administration?) Anti-war protesters? (You go to a rally because you are anti-war, that could make you an extremist and one for social change.)

    If you consider the ways this bill might be used, against Americans in America, with no warrants (think telecom), and with habeas corpus is all but gone. You get chucked into one of the many prison facilities built by Haliburton because you created civil unrest. What about people protesting against the social change of national healthcare?

    If you consider how they might use this, it is very, very frightening.

  23. Snave said,

    May 5, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Hello again, I think the URL ought to work this time. I left off the “.com” last time. Yes, please come check out my blog, and I will be here to see your series on executive orders for sure. I will probably refer people who are interested to your place too. I think the executive orders and signing statements are a couple of the more frightening things presidents do. Bush has really abused the signing statements… but it isn’t just his administration or the GOP in general that has laid the foundation for making it easier to get martial law going in the United States… JFK actually signed quite a few executive orders that would make things easier. Granted, it was at the height of the Cold War, but come take a look and see some of the things he signed. It was Carter who gave us FEMA… the next part in the series I’m doing will be about that, and what FEMA was intended to be. Arrrgh…

    Looking at the earlier Zappa post, thanks for that quote! Frank was a genius. I didn’t know he was a Republican… I had always kind of thought libertarian, maybe. But yes, I can forgive Frank for that!

  24. May 6, 2008 at 4:23 pm

    CA needs to fire Jane Harmon in November. Would this bill be unconstitutional? Could it be challenged in court?

  25. MsJoanne said,

    May 6, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    Cats, does the Constitution matter anymore? Our rights have been severely limited by this administration and it is quite apparent that they care neither for the Constitution, our rights, or us.

    Could it be challenged, sure. On what grounds and before what judge? Let’s say it gets to the Supreme Court, then what? We have seen the decisions this court has handed down since Roberts became CJOTSC – and I don’t think a single one was in the favor of the people, for the Constitution, or for anything positive for anything but the corporations of this land.

  26. little bear said,

    May 7, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Constitution – just a damn piece of paper. The BUSH family has been doing the dirty work for some of the world’s wealthiest elite for GENERATIONS!

    Hidden in Plain Sight: Meet the Bush Family

    George Bush Sr. may have had a much more interesting past that what appears in his official bio.

    His father Prescott Bush, banker to the Nazis and grandfather of George W. Bush, sponsored the rise of an obscure California right-wing politician who socialized extensively with Nazi sympathizers: Richard M. Nixon.

    Richard Nixon hired a “gofer” to assist him with his campaigning and other matters: Mob-connected Jack Ruby who later moved to Dallas.

    Just days after the Kennedy assassination, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover pointedly mentioned “Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency” in a memo discussing the reaction of right-wing Cubans to the assassination. One of the boats used in the infamous Bay of Pigs invasion were coincidentally named “Barbara” (the name of Bush’s wife) and the operation itself was called “Zapata” the name of Bush Sr’s oil company with rigs just off the north coast of Cuba.

    Richard Nixon and George Bush are distinguished as being among the only people in America who later claimed they could not remember where they were the day Kennedy was assassinated.

    And that’s just the tip of the iceberg…

    Real American history. The kind people get killed for talking about.

  27. MsJoanne said,

    May 7, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I greatly fear for Obama…for he might not make it if he takes on the monied elite. There is so much money in the MIC and corporations I can’t see them giving up their power over everything and everyone.

  28. little bear said,

    May 7, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Not sure that Obama is really “disconnected” from them – had real concerns when he got started. Yes, he is getting lots of small donations from common folks, and that is good.

    He is picking up where Howard Dean left off, perhaps ‘net technology will change the way elections are financed – small donations for large numbers of individual voters will be major source of income.

    But don’t kid yourself – he has a lot of corporate money behind him too. Real change will demand that media ownership and the military-industrial complex become part of the national dialog.

    Guess that can be considered “dangerous” – after all, look what they did to the DC Madam (“suicide notes” are not in her handwriting!)

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Yeah – I know, this source will not be acceptable to some, but please keep an open mind. Few people are talking about this now – really big story that could drag cheney and mclame down if there were real journalists.

  29. RobertoRoberto said,

    May 9, 2008 at 11:16 am

    As well as this Homegrown terrorist garbage, you might want to take a look at what the bipartisan nature of the new FISA initiative. They now say it’s OK to give the Telecos retroactive immunity. Utter nonesense.

  30. May 11, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    I can’t find the support for my claim but I heard this bill was dead in the senate

  31. MsJoanne said,

    May 13, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    According to the Senate website, it is in committee which is far from dead. You can read it here.

    And even if it was dead, the fact that Ms. Harmon felt the need to create a bill like this makes her suck, IMHO. 🙂

  32. May 13, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Matt Janovic is indeed a journalist who is being “kept behind the gates” on the Palfrey story. She did commit suicide; he was on her legal team and had to stay silent on her plans, believe that or not. Try giving it a google – Matt Janovic Debra Palfrey. His posts are also on my blog, She made up her mind that she wasn’t letting them put her in prison AND by committing suicide her funds would be released to her family, who she loved.

    Yes, MsJoanne, you do me good. I have my own crosses to bear! dating back to Hillary Clinton and the War on Drugs. “Testing”‘s influence keeps me going.

    Hats off to you,

  33. MsJoanne said,

    May 14, 2008 at 7:28 pm


    I apologize to those whose comments went into the Spam folder. Links do that and I just realized that they were there.

    I value everyone’s comments absolutely (whether I agree with them or not).

    Thank you all for taking the time to read my words and even more so for adding your own voice.

  34. libhomo said,

    May 16, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    It’s obvious to me that Harman needs another primary challenge.

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